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February 01, 2011

AX4N (4F50N) Harsh 1-2 Shift

Written by Jody Carnahan

I received a call from one of our wholesale customers which is a shop that does general repair and transmission work on occasion. He called looking for help on a 2004 Ford Freestar that he could not get to leave his shop. In fact, the vehicle has been to several other shops in the past. He advised me that the transmission had been worked on recently by another shop and that it was now back in his shop. I asked him what the previous failure was and he indicated that it was a problem with a 2nd gear slip. They had removed the transmission and found the intermediate clutch piston bonded seal was damaged and that was all that was done to repair the unit. Now that they have it all back together, the trans bangs hard on the 1-2 shift. It was not setting any codes and from what the shop could tell everything with the vehicle and load sensors were working properly. I decided to take on this challenge and advised him to drop the vehicle off at our shop.



My diagnostic process started with our normal procedures; hooking up scanner and putting pressure gauge on EPC pressure tap, EPC pressure command on the scan tool and pressure on the pressure gauge appeared to be normal. I put the scanner into the graphing mode so that I could capture and record the pressure control readings during the up-shift through the gears. I did this so I could compare it with a graph that I had on a normal working 4F50N. . We found that on a normal working transmission, the computer would ramp up the epc pressure just before the 1-2 shifts and during the shift it would come back down (see figure 1).

Figure 1
We then graphed the epc pressure on our vehicle with the harsh 1-2 shift and it appeared that the PCM was trying to compensate for the aggressive shift. Because the computer never ramped up epc pressure before the 1-2 shift it stayed steady before and during the shift as you can see in figure 2.

Figure 2
 Based upon this information, we concluded that the PCM was working properly and that it was not the cause of the problem. We also ruled out the epc solenoid, because with a pressure gauge hooked to the epc pressure port we were able to confirm that it was following epc command.

Based upon the scanner and pressure gauge data, we needed to start looking for the problem inside the tranny. We needed to identify what component(s) we were going to look at first and also needed to decide whether to try fixing this one in the vehicle or remove it and put it on the bench. We decided to try a fix in the vehicle and went after the valve body, hoping we didn’t have a problem with the channel plate or with an accumulator piston. Prior to removing the side cover and pulling the valve body, I wanted to verify what valve body component could be causing our issue, such as a particular valve, possible check ball in the wrong location, etc. In doing research on the 4F50N, I knew there were several differences in model year valve bodies. Taking a look at the factory manual, I saw that the 2000-2003 model year valve body did not have a 1-2 capacity modulator valve and used a check ball (B10) to orifice intermediate clutch oil to control shift feel. If the B10 check ball was missing, un-orificed oil flow into the intermediate clutch would cause a harsh 1-2 shift. As stated earlier, we were working a 2004 Ford Freestar and this model year went through some changes in the valve body. The 2004-up 4F50N went back to using a 1-2 capacity modulator valve just like the earlier AXODE/AX4S models. Having this information in hand gave us a good direction to start looking and we removed the valve body for inspection. We first inspected the 1-2 capacity valve line up and everything appeared to look normal. The valve stroked fine in the bore and the spring appeared to be in the correct position against the bore plug. The problem was found when we removed valve. The valve had been installed backwards (see figure 3).

Figure 3
With the valve in backwards, the land of the valve blocks off the accumulator causing a harsh 1-2 shift. The valve was turned around and installed correctly (see figure 4), the valve body put back on the unit and we road tested it. The transmission shifted correctly. We also hooked up the scan tool so we could graph the epc command and see if it changed back to having the normal spike before the 1-2 shifts. It looked almost identical to the graph we had one with a good 1-2 shift.

Figure 4

In conclusion, please refer back to the graphs in figure one and figure two. When we ran the graph on a known good 4F50N, it was similar to the graph in figure one. The graph in figure two, harsh 1-2 shift, is the only graph that we have seen with a harsh shift complaint.

While this one test may be inconclusive as the weather we can in fact use this test as a way to determine a harsh shift condition, we will be graphing more vehicles with felt harsh shifts in the future in hopes that this data can be useful within our industry.

I would like to challenge all of the reader of this article to provide feedback to me regarding whether or not the PCM in this case can pick up the harsh shift and adjust the duty cycle to compensate for this condition.

10 comments:

  1. I am experiencing a similar harsh shift in my 2005 Taurus equipped with what appears to be an AX4N. The difference is the harsh shift only occurs when the transmission has warmed up; cold start & initial driving the transmission shifts normally. After about 12 miles of driving and a typical traffic signal stop, the 1-2 shift is very harsh.

    Putting the car in neutral at the signal appears to resolve the issue & the transmission shifts fine.

    I'm suspecting an overheat and possible electrical problem with the solenoid, but I'd like your input on this issue if you're so inclined.

    Respectfully,

    Jim Rahrig

    jrahrig@bellsouth.net

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  2. There are many things that can cause harsh shift other than the transmission. Your vehicles transmission is 100% electronically controlled. This condition could be caused by one or many of the inputs to the computer. The possibilities are endless to what the cause could be. From a Throttle position sensor to an internal transmission issue. I would suggest you bring it in to one of our locations and we will check it for you and go from there.

    Richard Swierczek
    Location Manager
    Certified Transmissions Millard
    13225 Q St
    Omaha, NE 68137
    402-896-8799_Ph

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  3. Very informative post.. I drive 2007 Ford Freestar with 100,000 miles and I'm also getting hard shift between 1-2 gear only when it gets warm... I'm considering adding a extra transmission cooler to see if it helps my van... I also have Ax4N transmission...

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  4. Installing an additional transmission fluid cooler is always a good idea, especially when mileage is a factor. As vehicles age and acquire mileage, working parts tend to naturally lose efficiency during the life of the vehicle. Adding an auxiliary cooler to any vehicle can only serve to regain some of that lost efficiency.

    As Rick stated above, getting your shifting issue resolved may not involve the transmission at all. I would recommend getting a diagnosis soon before any damage occurs to your transmission.

    Rick VanRoy
    Client Services Manager
    Certified Transmission Corporate HQ

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  5. Hello, Jerry here in missouri. I have a 1998 windstar 3.8 and with the ax4s built feb of 1997.
    iam getting no 1 to 2nd shift when i get to 15 mph its as if iam in nuetral..i have changed all three shift solonoids and both seperater plate gaskets..Could it be my 1/2 accumulater spring seal? hopeless please help
    thanks Jerry

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  6. Hello Jerry,

    What happens if the case connector is unplugged? Does the vehicle move? The accumulator could cause a no shift if it were completely blown out, doesn’t seem very likely. If vehicle speed gets high enough it should command 3rd gear if 2nd isn’t working.

    You do not mention if there are any trouble codes or warning lights on. I would recommend having one of our shops perform a free diagnosis for you. The electonics need to be eliminated as a possible cause first.

    Rick VanRoy
    Client Services Manager
    Certified Transmission Corporate HQ

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  7. I have been working on a 1999 ford taurus sho. Rebuilt the trans with all updates and new planetary gear train, trans go kit for the Valve body, worked great for the first 6 months and then the customer brought it back with hard shift only in 2/cd gear, cold or hot still the same, manual shift is the same. I checked the trans out with all the road test and scanner and decided to go for the pull and put it back on the bench. I did this and found nothing out of place, no blown gaskets or anything. Any Idea about what it might be?

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    1. To the person that inquired about the issue with the Taurus SHO:

      Your harsh shift issue for this transmission is relatively common for all applications that use it. There can be many root causes for it. If you have verified that all of the check balls are in their correct positions, and all of the springs are also properly located, one thing to try is to clean the MAF sensor. This vehicle uses an "inferred" barometric sensor signal. In other words, the PCM creates a barometric pressure value based on TP sensor and MAF voltage comparisons. This is a "learned" value and stays the same until a wide-open throttle event occurs. The MAF can get dirty and reduces the voltage just enough to change the baro value, and the PCM ramps up the line pressure in error.

      After cleaning the MAF sensor, you need to do a relearn procedure to erase the old baro value. Post road-test will allow the baro value to return to a correct value, as long as the MAF is not damaged and functioning correctly.

      -Rick VanRoy
      Client Services Manager
      Certified Transmission, Inc.

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  8. Have a 2000 AX4N that seems to be overheating and blowing/leaking in a Lincoln COntinental. Any comments of causes

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    1. Unless you have truly discovered evidence of overheating, a more likely cause is a blocked case vent. There is a Ford TSB that states that the vent may become blocked and cause fluid to be forced up and out of the filler tube. It's fairly common.

      A scan tool can quickly verify overheating, since a code is stored in the system when an overheat event occurs. I recommend a professional diagnosis to be sure. Of it turns out that the vent is the cause of your issue, in most cases it is a relatively simple repair. Unless the transmission has been run so low on fluid that it began to slip, long term damage is not probable.

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